It is never okay to say ‘Die cis scum’. Prejudice and sweeping generalizations of hatred are never okay, not even from trans*folk. Educate, don’t hate. And if their minds are too closed and they can’t be taught, turn your cheek and never speak to…
OP, STFU. Your privilege is showing in a big way. Stop tone-trolling people. Just because you want to be “good” doesn’t mean everyone else has to.
Honestly, what privilege are you referring to?Male privilege and probably also class, ability and white privilege. You know, you don’t experience the same crap that DMAB trans* people do, they are the ones transmisogyny is directed at and the ones most commonly treated as acceptable targets, especially trans* Latinas and black DMAB trans* people—which is amplified even further if factors such as fatness, disability and poverty are present too.
Stop acting like it’s OK for you to tone-troll people. If hurt feelings are the most trouble you get, well…then you’ve got it easy compared to everyone else. Sorry, but that’s fucking true.
I don’t even slightly get male privilege. I do not pass, I am the LEAST masculine appearing trans* man I have ever met. I am 5 feet tall. I’m forced to wear dresses, skirts, and make up every day, or I’ll be kicked out of my house.
I don’t have to deal with transmisogyny, true. But I DO have to deal with being constantly told that I’m not masculine enough. I do constantly have to feel inadequate. I am not masculine enough. Chances are that I will never be able to go on T.Trans*women do have to go through a lot. I used to punch anybody who would say anything negative about trans* people, especially trans* women, but I learned that I wasn’t getting anywhere by filling myself with as much hate for cissexists as they had for me. I began to educate and teach these people and I got much farther.
I am in NO way defending cissexism. I hate it. It makes me sick. But telling somebody to die, even cissexists, is not okay. Before waging a war between trans* and cis people, why is it so wrong to want to educate them?
You can’t fight fire with fire. You honestly just can’t.OK seriously, just because you want to be the favourite, doesn’t mean we’re going to copy you. It certainly doesn’t mean you can tone-troll everyone else. Piss off, you’re a bloody fool and make me embarrassed to be a white trans* man.
How am I tone-trolling? I’m not trolling. Christ, what the fuck is wrong with you people? Were you not raised to believe that violence is bad and two rights don’t make a wrong? If you don’t agree, that’s fine. You don’t have to. But don’t talk shit about me because I believe it’s wrong.
Your precious moral high ground is a ledge made of ice. Being nice does not stop bullies. Sometimes you have to fight back.
Plus, if you think we’re a legitimate threat to all cis people everywhere, you have a big think coming. We make up a tiny minority and are therefore just plain outnumbered. We don’t have social power to nearly the extent of cis people in any case.
Hey, cis people, come fetch your toadie.@OP
Jesus. No. “Die cis scum” is not even remotely the problem here. Saying it is, that’s the problem. JUST BE NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICE, that’s a problem. You really think no one before you thought of that? No one, in the past umpteen billion interactions, said “oh I am going to ask nicely to be treated like a human being and see how that works”?
People try that. It doesnt. fucking. work. Joining the oppressors, that’s not gunna make anyone’s life easier except MAYBE yours, & that’s short term. Being “good” isn’t really worth it.
If my little cis feelings are hurt by die cis scum, I need to get the fuck over it. Maybe, just maybe, we cis people could try…ohhh…NOT BEING SCUM? Yeah? Scumminess doesn’t need defending. Don’t hand people who already have all the power more of it by trying to be “good”.
I’m not saying you need to be nice. I’m not saying to sit idly by and ask for your rights. I’m saying to get your message across with logic, intellect and reasoning. Martin Luther King did it. He never said ‘Die white scum’. He used his intellect to gain people to support his cause. Gandhi never said ‘Die British scum’. He protested. He reasoned. NOBODY is going to listen if you just offend them. You can’t demand rights because that is not how our legal system works. You can convince people and get representatives who will convince congress to support our rights. That’s how interracial marriage became legal. That’s how non-white people and women gained suffrage in the united states. Has nobody looked at history? Saying ’Give me my rights you stupid scummy fuck’, while tempting, can not work.
Oh dear. MLKjr was no pacifist, not at all the sanitized person they teach you about in school. MLKjr was a badass. He was a firebrand. White people know, like, one thing he said with no context around it, all sanitized. (And, of course, racism wasn’t magically over with MLK but surely you know that-my parents’ interracial relationship was illegal until that was declared unconstitutional in 67, and to this day ministers are refusing to marry interracial couples. Even the ones who ask nicely).
And, um, demanding rights is exactly how it works. Sufferagettes DIED because they were…well…they were badasses. They demanded the vote. Disabled people? We fight every damn day for our rights. If we didn’t demand them the ADA wouldn’t be a thing at all…currently it’s a thing abled people like to ignore, but it’s a thing, and you DEMAND its enforcement.
I’ve been activisting a longass time, & I’ve gotten WAY further with offending people then with saying “please, if it isn’t too much trouble, would you consider maybe thinking about hurting me less?”. That shit does. not. work.
Thank you entirely for not responding disrespectfully. Perhaps I am misinformed and should change my opinion on how to go about creating change. This is something I think about every day. Not just trans* issues but general issues of society.
You can start creating change by dropping the tone-policing bullshit which assumes that the voices of marginalized persons are more legitimate when they’re respectful of those who disrespect and/or devalue them on a regular basis.
Wow… a whole lot of ad homs and straw men being thrown at this guy. Not a lot of logic.
As a Muslim Trans* Man, I refuse to go to a womans toilet. I can not be held responsible for my thoughts, as you are throwing ME, a Lion, into a lair of meat.
” I can not be held responsible for my thoughts,”
Yeah, actually you can. Seriously, what the fuck? Refuse to go to the women’s toilet all you like! Keep your thoughts (and everything else) to yourself though.
“Without capitalism, you wouldn’t have modern technology and thus if you’re a socialist you shouldn’t use computers”
“Without the plague, humans wouldn’t have evolved/adapted to be more hygienic. Our immune systems would be much weaker without the plague. Thus, if you’re against massive death by disease/against the plague, you shouldn’t be a human.”
“Without capitalism you wouldn’t…”
Prove it. Oh you can’t? Is that because it’s impossible to know? Prolly shouldn’t say it then.
(via dysperdis)
preservedcucumbers:We are taught that it’s important to be respectful, yet a couple’s decision to not have a family is still openly frowned upon. A woman who doesn’t want children is still considered abnormal, a childless man is thought to be selfish and immature.
It is not the business of anyone but the couple (and potentially their doctors) whether they should decide to have children. That means it’s none of your business, so think before you utter any of these condescending phrases to a childless/childfree person.
Thank you to the creator of this! Seriously, this is something that I find I am disrespected on. I do not want children and if I ever decide I would, I agree with the above individual who says adopt. AND I love the fact that this doesn’t only apply to women (though they are a big factor in this) but to men who don’t want children.
This. :|
Children are miraculous and beautiful for those who want them. But not everybody wants them.
(via genderbendingriotqueer)
